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Can you (or andrewbinstock) comment with regard to google adwords ? I don't think of those as the same thing as banner ads ...


As a (very) small-time publisher, but with a fairly reasonable sample over the years, CPM ads pay about 1/5th what CPC ads do. I think that shows how much "brand awareness" versus "I'm trying to make a sale" advertising is worth.

Edit: CPM pays 1/3rd the rate, but CPC ads make up 90% of revenue, which makes sense if they generally pay more. I run a rather diverse set of sites, but I stay away from tech.


We haven't found a way to make Google Adwords work for us. Maybe it can be done in other industries. The key words in ours have been bid way up.


I concur. Back in 2006-2008, AdWords was incredibly effective for my company, then the leads gradually dried up, and after a while we realized it provided nothing useful anymore, unless you buy incredibly expensive keywords (up to several dollars per click).

It may still be effective for pure consumer-oriented services, but is IMO useless nowadays for B2B unless you're a large, deep-pocketed company.


We've had that trouble as well - anything related to offsite backup or cloud storage has outrageous pricing - perhaps $8 or $12 per click (!).

The frustrating thing is that if you do find keywords that have low prices, google will refuse to run them for you because too few people search for it. Citing "low quality", google will force you to artificially inflate your CPC just for the privilege of running a niche keyword.

There is this idea that every day there are X people on the web searching for exactly what you offer, and if you show them an ad during the search: success. I believe this to be true, but google makes it all but impossible to pursue low traffic, niche searches. They literally refuse to run them.


You're right they're not the same as banner ads. Alas, I don't enough about their economics to provide an intelligent insight.


Google Adwords paid the least at TechCrunch, and by some distance.




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