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Other than unlikely damage to the total user critical mass effect, what does YouTube potentially lose from kicking blender out?


The blender foundation is more likely than other groups to make something different work. Once something else works, it can start to get traction.

This is unlike other content creators, who migh not have the technical skills to try a new platform, or might rely on youtube to get views.


Nothing. They gain by use of a chilling effect: most of the seemingly negative actions and expectations they're known for, tend to rebound in favor of their core business.

It's all meant to be Logan and Jake Paul and PewDiePie and whatever will drive low-quality mass views so long as the viewer quality isn't so low that they're losing advertisers. At a scale like this, it's just pure statistics.

This is not damage. This is benefit, in terms of getting other content creators in line. The message is clear.


While there are certainly benefits, I can't agree that YouTube loses nothing here. PeerTube is a potential competitor in an ecosystem that's currently functionally monopolistic, and even in a vacuum, having a nontrivial community move to that platform will immediately increase awareness and provide legitimacy.

Perhaps more importantly, the FOSS and tech communities are not a vacuum. Google and YouTube in particular have been getting increasing amounts of negative press recently, and this strongarming of Blender further drives home how far they have gone from the era of "Don't be evil." Additionally, the precedent of changing platforms rather than giving in to Google's pressure has now been set; While there will be no mass exodus, it is easier for entities to follow in Blender's footsteps than it would have been to set the lead, and we may hope that this move turns out well in order to further encourage others with similar inclinations.


I will be watching carefully for another group to make this switch, because the most important person in forming a crowd isn't the leader, it's the first follower.


I agree. Though, I am curious how much of a boon this will be for peertube, and in what way.


Funnily enough, PewDiePie is no longer on YouTube's good-side, and virtually all of his newly uploaded videos get demonetized by YouTube. He's no longer "advertiser-friendly"


Why am I hearing this about almost everyone I watch? Isn't that a lose-lose-lose for creators, YouTube and advertisers?


No. It's much like the music business: they need new PewDiePies, though it's cumbersome to create them. Once you're PewDiePie for a while, you have more resources and access to lawyers and managers, and you come around looking for a better deal.

From YouTube's point of view, that's bad, so they need a replacement. It's quantity of views they need, they don't actually have a stake in the success of any one creator.


Is it possibly because you're a nerd, and the internet is no longer for nerds? It's now a platform for mass consumerism, and what interests the masses, and is thus good for advertisers probably shares little overlap with your interests?


It is likely that PewDiePie has a negative enough image that YouTube believes that associating a given brand with his content will not generate ROI for the advertisers. By demonetizing these videos 1) the advertisers win because their ads are shown more frequently in "profitable" spots, 2) YouTube wins because they build trust with their advertisers, and 3) YouTube wins again because they don't have to pay out to the content creator for valueless ad spots.


PewDiePie viewers aren't profitable to advertisers?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PewDiePie#Controversial_videos...

I remember the headlines, but had to go to wikipedia to see why they abandoned ship.


He never really was, just people are paying attention now.


YouTube has little to no competition right now. By kicking blender out, they're forcing blender to promote an alternative to YouTube.


That is potentially the real story here, IMO. Ton has a track record of doing amazing things with impossibly small amounts of money. Given that his interests are in (video) content production, I'm not sure YouTube really thought through how this could play out...


Actually the timing (near EU upload filter laws) seems to indicate they didn't dare do this before, and fully realized this danger.


Not sure what the EU filter laws have to do with anything here?


They lose high quality content and have indirectly caused the promotion of a competitor. Also exposes their inability to answer basic questions, giving rise to questions from creators about their value and longevity on the Youtube platform.


It seems like Google is pretty conscious of their own PR, presumably actions like this alert Youtube employees that everything they do isn't in the best interest of humanity.


> It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it.

I doubt most of them care. Even if some engineers care, I really doubt that the product team does in a circumstance like this.


Google employees work for the worlds largest spyware company. They aren't worried about being ethical.


I agree with the first sentence but not the second.

I think a lot of employees are just not taking a step back to look at the sum of the parts they are helping to build, or maybe they have optimism/trust in their leaders to not fuck everyone over, and others might just draw their line further down the sand (e.g. no Pentagon contracts).

I imagine a brave few are also working to change it for the better from within. I'd definitely choose to work at Apple instead though, Google seems fundamentally creepy these days.


That's a pretty broad brush you're painting with. Maybe avoid sweeping generalities.


Visibility for a viable alternative?




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